Winded After the Death of LLF

by the Very Revd David Monteith, Dean of Canterbury

Much metaphorical ink has already been spilt on the announcement from the House of Bishops of the death of Living in Love and Faith (LLF).  These reflections add nothing to that discourse but are an attempt to articulate something of what this announcement does to the likes of me as a person.  I had intellectually concluded months ago that LLF was terminally ill, but the actual death notice has a far deeper impact.

Firstly, the document was issued about a process not about people.  It wasn’t in any way a pastoral letter to the church. I used to mark draft pastoral letters on ordinand selection conferences.  This would not have cut muster.  The same depersonalising dynamics have gone on at nearly every stage of this process.  This just doesn’t upset one or two people as Archbishop Stephen suggested. This is gut wrenching and hurtful for those of us most impacted. It seems there is need to return to a basic course in pastoral care.

Secondly, this multiplies our shame which so many of us have and still experience as LGBT+ people in our families, churches and neighbourhoods. Dealing with internalised homophobia is often a life’s work for many of us, with the kindly welcome and acceptance by our Christian communities often being a key part of that healing. I found my life and heart constrict as I received this news once again; being told loudly and clearly that our minority lives and loves must remain marginal, hidden and uncatered-for like a vegetarian in 1980s France.

Thirdly, I am asked to carry the public shame of this as a priest and in my case as the Dean of Canterbury.  Images of our cathedral accompany the press stories of ‘bishops do U-turns on gay blessing’ headlines. No matter what I do or say or no matter how I care or try to love others here, the iconography is clear: that LGBT+ people are never fully welcome here.  I am embarrassed and feel a deep sense of personal moral injury without even any remaining left-over crumbs to offer.

Fourthly, the social media storms of recent days about our graffiti exhibition so often focussed on the fact that we worked with marginalised communities. This means I was ‘woke’ and what else was to be expected since I was in a gay relationship.  These vulnerable young people asked far from marginal questions; they were those all of us might ask. The haters piled in with force and now they have even more reason to pile in again. What could I say when these young folks asked me if the church excluded them? What could I honestly say?

Fifthly, I realise that all this is so niche and of none or little concern to many people in the church, unlike for those in the wider world who mostly do not comprehend why love does not mean love.  None of my clergy colleagues have enquired as to how I am doing.  No one from the bishop’s staff on which I sit have said a word. None have even alluded to noticing that the bishops had issued their conclusions. Nothing.  We are invisible despite being present and our cares and concerns are best kept to our own little minority lives.

Sixthly, this invisibility intensifies all the other experiences of invisibility. For example, when giving a talk and the last part of my biography is omitted; when a bishop asked me to make sure my partner was not around when certain clergy visited; when as a new Dean I didn’t get invitations from the county set because they didn’t want to invite my partner but were too polite to want to enact a social snub so didn’t invite me either. Being told directly never to mention my sexuality when dealing with visiting bishops from the Communion unless they brought it up, because many would see me as possessed. Talk about making me disappear. So many active processes, not just passive assumptions.

Seventhly, there is little likelihood of anything improving and every likelihood of things getting much worse for LGBT+ people.  Many agree that it is now far harder for us in the church than it was 30+ years ago. The tide is turning in the world with gains in equality now being questioned and many, including me, are fearful that what we see with far-right parties elsewhere, we may see here too. From early in ministry, I learnt to respect bishops but not to trust them.  I couldn’t begin to make a list of the broken promises and quiet assurances that ‘all will be well’. When the chips are down for the church, both the institution and her leaders find us an easy victim to hurt in playing out politics of so-called normality. Why else was my sexuality highlighted when I was trying to uphold safeguarding during the departure of the last archbishop?  I don’t think we can trust the church to defend us if such a terrible day came. We would not justify care.

Eighthly, I have bent over backwards over the years to be gracious and kind, to not walk away from the table, to become vulnerable in sharing my self in conversations and dialogue.  I have listened to those of a conservative view with grace.  I have watched them behave despicably in meetings, soaking up their violence against me and mine and so often with an annoying smile. Following Archbishop Rowan’s insight, I remember that unity is the quest which keeps on asking ‘who is not here?’ rather than ‘you do or do not belong’.  But it is exhausting and sapping of limited energies. Non-reciprocation of generosity breaks the relationship and yet apparently it is me bringing disunity to the church?

Ninthly, many of us simply slog our guts out day in day out. This news has winded me and made me see that no significant change is likely in my life span. The sense of being an ‘alien in the household of God’ grows. As a Dean I spend a lot of energy on taking care not to demoralise our teams, despite the challenges, and to look forward hopefully.  There is no hope for significant change in the C of E with respect to LGBT+ people yet many of us are stuck having given our life to this ministry yet not being able to afford to retire nor having the heart to abandon our sense of calling.  Pay us all off to get rid of us and I may just rethink, if that is really where you want to head! Why, if you really do think that we are living without true repentance and are unworthy of blessings, do you not just get rid of us as that is the conclusion of the logic now received in this settled view ?

Tenthly and finally, this is akin to a bereavement with all the usual feelings and thoughts.  I have no idea what to grieve well looks like in this situation. Of course, I can rely on the church and the bishops not to provide me with any assistance on that. In one theory of bereavement, key to recovery is to invest in the new future beyond the loss. The problem for me is that no new future is articulated in any way for LGBT+ people.  That which was perhaps previously imagined is killed off. The hollow words of apology never came to anything. Micro aggressions and visceral fear and anger continue to be experienced by us. The new Christian Inclusion is but fantasy. Apparently, as the bullies of old told me in school, I am to take it on the chin ‘like a man’ (clearly a heterosexual one) and just let these acts of violence and harm keep on coming.

Perhaps the only lasting hope might be another victim who also had to take it – that is about all that remains.

 

Comments

61 responses to “Winded After the Death of LLF”

  1. ecstatic477c189ee3 avatar
    ecstatic477c189ee3

    Read this and wept. Thank you for your grace in not shaking the dust off your feet. I know how costly a calling this is. You are greatly appreciated. X

  2. julesareader avatar
    julesareader

    Thank you for sharing. I relate to much of this, although I am not dependent on the church for my living, so cannot fully imagine how awful this is for clergy friends and colleagues. It does feel as though the C of E wants to sweep all LGBTQIA+ ministers under the carpet! It is so sad that this opportunity for greater open inclusion appears lost.

  3. Sheila Yates avatar
    Sheila Yates

    David our love, support and prayers are with you and all our friends who are similarly impacted and deeply hurt. We too feel totally let down and wonder if this is the church that we should be part of.
    All we can do is to keep praying that resolution can come, although we doubt it.
    Love and prayers
    Sheila and Peter

  4. R Prieto avatar
    R Prieto

    Really sorry for your pain. Of course you belong, or none of us would. Please do not try to insult into submission (“hate”, “homophobia” etc.) those who disagree with you. We have had two Archbishops and a majority of bishops doing that long enough. The fact is that you are neither teaching nor living in accordance with the promises you made at your ordination, but that is not a judgement on your heart or your intentions or your standing before God. It should be possible for Christians to love and empathise while deeply disagreeing and being honest about it.

    1. ilydanlarp avatar

      Telling a gay person expressing their pain that it is invalid is just gaslighting. David is the one, as a gay person, who gets to define what he experiences as homophobia. White people don’t get to tell black people that they aren’t understanding racism correctly. Men don’t get to tell women what they can and can’t call sexism. And homophobes (people who treat LGBTQIA+ people less favourably, often motivated by a dislike and prejudice against LGBTQIA+ people) can’t dictate to LGBTQIA+ people what homophobia is. Neither can homophobes disguise their clear prejudice by trying to wrap it up in a veneer of religious respectability, all that does is tarnish religion.

    2. Rev. Brynn Craffey avatar

      Thank you, R. Prieto, for providing an apropos example of the sort of condescending, backhanded sympathy that passes for “acceptance” by modern Christians who pride themselves on how openminded and “welcoming” they are. Truthfully, I personally prefer vocal and open homophobes. At least then we both know where we stand.

      1. Jacqui Norman avatar
        Jacqui Norman

        Well said

    3. NickB avatar

      The parable of the Pharisee and Tax Collector is coming up. Please listen to it carefully and see if you can find yourself portrayed.

  5. Lou avatar
    Lou

    utterly heartbreaking words. At a time when building up communities is more vital than ever The C of E continues to alienate many. I’m so sad for the harm that has been done and sadly will continue to be done.

  6. Martine Oborne avatar
    Martine Oborne

    Thank you for this powerful and courageous piece. The question now is – how can we have a Church that reflects the Kingdom of God by treating all people equally? Equality is not some woke fad but at the heart of the Gospel and God’s passion for justice and lifting up the oppressed. Power and money have a grip on the Church that is squeezing out all those who don’t conform to one interpretation of what it means to be in God’s family. The only good news, as I reflect on the story of the pharisee and the tax collector this week, is that if you are feeling pushed out and looked down on then you can be sure that Jesus sees you as being very much ‘justified before God.’

  7. George Day avatar
    George Day

    Thank you for sharing your experiences of pain and rejection. My only question is whether it really is as hopeless as you portray, or is it possible that a new inclusive ABC might make a difference?

  8. Christopher Evans avatar
    Christopher Evans

    Very moving, upsetting and courageous. Every Bishop in the Church of England should officially be sent a copy of what the Dean has written.

  9. John Clapton avatar

    Two things – well many more really – have puzzled me considerably over the intractability of this debate about human sexuality in the Church.

    Firstly, the degree hubris and hatred of any deviation from the so-called Biblical norm of marriage only for a man and a woman, and sexual intimacy only within such a marriage by those opposed to LGBTQI+ inclusion in the church. The inability to allow for any other theological position creates a roadblock to any sense of resolution and unity despite our diversity.

    Secondly, the willingness to engage in stalling strategies by such opponents, and the gracious compliance of those who would see change means that there will be hours and hours of conversations that really are never engaged in in good faith. The so-called “good guys” really play dirty in trying to get what they want, and have no intention of trying to understand the other nor of allowing a place for them.

  10. Kalantha avatar
    Kalantha

    Thank you so much for your gracious and honest sharing. Praying for you and for all those crushed afresh by these latest developments. It is so dispiriting. Please know that you are valued and loved

  11. Christina Baron avatar
    Christina Baron

    Dear David, I am lost for words to respond to the bishops’ statement on LLF. I can only send you my love and solidarity and affirm, what I hope you already know, that your ministry is greatly valued and that you are not alone. Signed, frustrated and depressed of Bath & Wells Christina Baron

  12. Shayne Ardron avatar
    Shayne Ardron

    Love and prayers for you both David. I can’t imagine how difficult this is to live with day in day hope. When people want to remove the hope of change. Yet we are all Gods children and greatly loved. May God’s love and grace full you both up as you live in a most loving, caring God given relationship. Love, Shayne

  13. colleen annan avatar
    colleen annan

    David How hard this must be fro someone with such a good heart and love for all

  14. Mike avatar
    Mike

    Dear Dean David – all is NOT lost – mamy clergy now perform SS blessings – we all still work for the day when SS marriage is allowed in the church as it is already legally allowed in society – in Australia we slowly persevere at bringing about change – we’ve certainly gone a long was in the past 50 years – I hope in your life time more answers will be forthcoming – God bless you and all you minister to – Mike

  15. Tony avatar
    Tony

    Ouufff! After reading this, I sit here in Cleveland USA feeling probably 1/10th of the actual pain experienced by the Dean. At 68 yrs old, married to the same man for 40 years, fathers to a 20 year old raised by us from birth, I feel that pain radiating from your essay. Simply, if I could be there right now, I would politely request that you allow me to give you a solid hug and then sit over some decent tea. Know that from far away you have kindred. Your witness and words are vital to our survival and growth. Thank you deeply.

  16. Yvonne Aburrow avatar

    I’m so sorry to hear that this is happening again. I know personally two very able vicars who left the C of E because they are gay and the C of E would have, at best, insisted on them being celibate, and at worst, not allowed them to continue in their calling. And I know there are many more who are either being forced to live a lie or to remain celibate.

    You’re right, the rest of us do not understand why the Church of England inflicts such pain on the LGBT+ faithful.

  17. francisjon avatar

    You speak for many – thank you. I would only add (eleventhly) that to embark on a lengthy and, again, for many costly (I don’t mean financially) discernment process and then choose to ignore it is insulting to those who took part and shared their pain and vulnerability. It also shows the bishops do not trust God.

  18. Tony Leighton avatar
    Tony Leighton

    Thank you David. So very painful. Love and prayers for you both!

  19. Rev. Brynn Craffey avatar

    What an eloquent, powerful, and anguished statement, Dean David!

    As an openly queer-identified trans ordained priest in the Anglican Church of Canada, who served one year as a curate in the affirming Diocese of New Westminster before having to depart Canada due to an inability to gain permanent residence, words fail to capture my dismay over the treatment LGBTQ+ clergy and members continue to endure in the CofE. What is typically lost in discussions I’ve read on this situation is just what LGBTQ+ people—like you and me–offer the modern church. Similar to women, Indigenous people, and other marginalized groups whose voices Christianity has long minimized or excluded, LGBTQ+ people come to the church with valuable insights, emotional flexibility, resilience, and an ability to perceive the world from a multiplicity of perspectives. We have the ability to read scripture through a lens of what trans theologian Deryn Guest calls a, “hermeneutics of reimagination,” offering alternative viewpoints to those long based on cultural assumptions posing as solid, interpretive principles. Our negotiation of the minefields of our homophobic and trans-antagonistic societies prompts us to think outside the box, while our very survival in these circumstances makes us exemplars of hope and transformation. All these experiences and more translate into valuable leadership skills during times of rapid change and upheaval.

    Like Christianity itself, I see queerness, among other things, as dedicated to establishing justice and fairness for all and reimagining and reorganizing societal power relationships to benefit the most people and all creation. Queerness encompasses feminist, anti-colonialist, anti-racist, and other perspectives, which for me, are intricately interwoven into my hopes for God’s commonwealth—or kingdom, if you prefer—on earth. In my opinion, to exclude or diminish our full and equal participation is an enormous loss for the church.

    1. Imogen avatar
      Imogen

      Yes! This is such pertinent comment. We desperately need the insights of those who are marginalised in order to be whole.

  20. Nick G avatar
    Nick G

    Halted by the searing honesty in this piece. Also comforted that the only lasting hope is the one who had to take it. Your words, David, forged in pain, must not return empty-handed.

  21. Chris Niem avatar
    Chris Niem

    Whatever the weather, solidarity forever. Jesus would weep at this sad state of affairs.

  22. Bryony Davis avatar
    Bryony Davis

    David, you articulate so well the pain, disappointment and loss that so many are feeling. It is so unjust, so cruel, so un-christlike – and it seems that there is no end to the struggle. I don’t want to remain in a church that doesn’t recognise and affirm my LGBT brothers and sisters. I don’t want my continued ministry to appear to affirm this injustice. I feel the weight of this only as an ally and can only half imagine what it is like for my LGBT colleages. Standing with you in the ashes.

  23. Cheryl avatar
    Cheryl

    My heart goes out to you. Thank you for articulating so well what is so very painful. We have failed, we go on failing. The cost is immeasurable. As a heterosexual Anglican I feel ashamed, wish I could think of more to do.

  24. John B avatar
    John B

    LLF has not died of course. Prayers for same sex couples in services are still allowed if PCCs approve them as a majority of Synod voted for.

    What the bishops just affirmed was that bespoke services for same sec couples or even full same sex marriages in C of E churches require a 2/3 Synod majority. Just as remarriage of divorcees in C of E churches and female ordination and female bishops, on its second attempt, received a 2/3 majority of Synod as well

  25. Mr Benjamin H Mackay avatar
    Mr Benjamin H Mackay

    In my days in the Church of England (long gone), I encountered patronizing comments, outward hostility, and also Huge Love. The Huge Love was when an avowedly straight lad gave me a full on kiss on the lips and said “Jesus would do the same.”

  26. Andrew Godsall avatar
    Andrew Godsall

    Have been sharing thoughts about this with others during the day and it has honestly made me want to sever any ties to the Church of England. Why did the bishops bother to apologise in 2023 and promise to repent? How hollow that rings.
    I well recall the February 2017 General Synod when some bishops were surprised that their ‘take note’ paper was rejected by Synod. That surprise showed how out of touch they were with what was actually going on. The same is true now. I hope that GS somehow finds a way to reject their October update on LLF.
    Thank you for such an honest and courageous piece David. Our hearts must go out to you and yours.

    1. John B avatar
      John B

      It is a clear majority of Synod who rejected same sex marriage not the Bishops. Even prayers within services for same sex couples only passed narrowly, with heavy conservative evangelical opposition, in Synod with the biggest majority for the prayers in the house of bishops and the smallest majority for the prayers in the house of laity and the house of clergy close as well. The reality is a 2/3 majority of Synod is needed for bespoke services for same sex couples, as it was for remarriage of divorcees and female clergy and bishops

      1. David Runcorn avatar

        Can you point me to when this happened. I did not know Synod had even debated marriage. It was taken off the table very early in the LLF process. Thanks

      2. Simon Baker avatar
        Simon Baker

        It was taken off the table as a majority of Synod voted to not even discuss allowing same sex marriage

      3. John B avatar
        John B

        A majority of Synod rejected any debate on implementing same sex marriages early on in the LLF process

  27. Jonathan avatar
    Jonathan

    Perhaps the saddest aspect of this appalling and shameful decision to strangle the LLF process is the fact that there are those in the House of Bishops who instinctively know this decision is ungodly and pastorally wounding but who have gone along with it out of fear and some misplaced notion of spurious unity. When theological bullies prevail it isn’t unity but an administrative convenience. There are Bishops who genuinely believe the direction LLF was taking was profoundly wrong and contrary to the gospel. I could not disagree more strongly with them but I do not impugn their integrity. What is deeply shocking are the Bishops who have acted against their own theology for the sake of “keeping the show on the road”. Such a stance is craven and contemptible. There is no point saying “peace, peace” when violence is being perpetrated on faithful Christian people who have already soaked up so much oppression.

    I have devoted much of my life to ministry in the Church of England and it no longer feels like home. So be it, here we have no abiding city and perhaps the temporal influence of the Established Church has to be brought to naught ( as is becoming more evident day by day) so that new life may spring from the ashes. What the Bishops cannot do is negate God’s love for all those made in his image, whatever their sexuality and so as disappointing as this present move is, the grace of god is stronger.

    1. John B avatar
      John B

      You will find non established evangelical churches like the Baptists and Pentecostals offer no recognition of same sex couples at all nor do the Orthodox. Roman Catholics offer non liturgical prayers similar to what the C of E now offer via Papal decree but again clear it is not a marriage in church. The Methodists do now offer same sex marriages in church as do the Quakers in terms of English denominations but they are small and declining

      1. coldharbourrocks avatar

        Surely the United Reformed offer gay marriage – and ministry by gay people – decided on a church by church basis though.

      2. David Runcorn avatar

        Not all have actually.

      3. Nicola H avatar

        There’s increasing numbers of Baptist churches that are affirming, and offer marriage for all, alongside URC and Methodist. See the inclusive church website

      4. Simon Baker avatar
        Simon Baker

        Most Baptist churches take a traditional marriage line though, the southern Baptists who are the biggest Protestant group in the US certainly say marriage is only offered to one man and one woman for life

      5. John Baker avatar
        John Baker

        Southern Baptists though are clear they do not offer same sex marriages

  28. Viv avatar
    Viv

    And so it goes, on and on, hostility, cruelty, pushing the “other” into pain and darkness. As the saying goes, there’s no hate like Christian “love”. Jesus continues to weep over the ugly hearts of some/many of his children. I keep you in prayer.

  29. Rev Laura Darrall avatar
    Rev Laura Darrall

    Thank you for voicing what so many of us are feeling, sending strength and solidarity.

  30. Tim Chesterton avatar
    Tim Chesterton

    Solidarity from across the pond. As another commenter has said, I wish I could offer a cup of tea and a hug.

  31. Dana Delap avatar

    David, thank you. And I am sorry that I belong to an institution that has behave so despicably and without either integrity nor loving kindness.

  32. Nigel Jones avatar
    Nigel Jones

    Would it help if the new ABC made a public statement on coming to office that ‘the majority of C of E churchgoers want to be fully inclusive of LGBTQI+ people but that unfortunately church politics has led to a powerful traditionalist element being able to block the rules from being changed’ ? That would seem to me to have the strong advantage of being entirely true, clear and honest. Would it not also go some significant way to affirm those so hurt by recent events?

  33. CurlyCath avatar

    Beautifully written. So articulate of the pain LGBTQ folk suffer at the hands of the church.
    I cut ties with the c of e after a priest in an “inclusive” church in Manchester wrote a public blog outing me (inaccurately, she hadn’t listened to how I identify) and slandering me. The response from the rector and the archdeacon was as bad as the blog. A CDM was found against her… But then she was made a canon of the cathedral.
    I don’t believe we will ever get fair, just or equal treatment in the c of e.
    The problem of course is that what the c of e does bleeds into other denominations and contaminates many non conformist spaces with unsafety.
    I also really feel for the many good priests I know whose work is made so difficult by the institutional behaviour
    God bless you x

  34. Fran avatar
    Fran

    Beautiful expression of the raw hurt, I’m so sorry the institution you’ve given your life to is going backwards, there was hope for nanosecond of time, with blessings and welcoming inclusivity.
    This is heartbreaking. I know the church I belong to will not go backwards, because they embrace Christ inclusive teaching as loving practice and action for all.
    PS. I like Nigel Jones idea.

  35. Carol Atkins avatar

    Heartbreaking to read. I am so sorry for the way you are being treated. I have signed the open letter from Inclusive Church with the hope that it will help. My thoughts and prayers go out to you. I pray that those who work with you will now, albeit a bit late, offer you pastoral care.

  36. Norl Colley avatar
    Norl Colley

    As a priest in the Church of England I am sorry that the church I represent could act in this abominable way. As a straight man with a gay granddaughter and a gay stepson I am ashamed to be a part of this, if only by association with the church. I am angry with the HoB for their view that loving our neighbour comes with caveats
    .
    David, you are loved for who you are and I congratulate you for the way you have opened up and shared your pain with us.
    Sometimes we seek forgiveness for the things we say and do. I wonder if those in purple will seek forgiveness for the despicable way they have treated their brothers and sisters in Christ. Much love in Christ, Noel

  37. Mary Penwarden avatar
    Mary Penwarden

    Your honesty, integrity and personal openness have always shone as a beacon of hope to us in Canterbury since you were appointed as Dean. In your sermons, your leading of worship, your public engagement and your personal interactions with us, the people of Canterbury, you have lived out with courage and love what being a Christian looks like. I am shocked and deeply appalled by the pronouncement of the House of Bishops and its rejection of the central tenets of Christ’s teaching of love for one another. Dean David, you lead us in God’s love and model how we as Christians we can stand up and be counted. We need you now more than ever and are grateful for your moral courage and principled honesty. (And I applaud Nigel Jones’ suggestion too).

    1. J Baker avatar
      J Baker

      The Bishops were just reflecting reality, even PLF only scraped through with significant conservative evangelical opposition. There simply is not the 2/3 majority in Synod for bespoke services for same sex couples or same sex marriage for now

    2. Simon Baker avatar
      Simon Baker

      The Bishops approved prayers for same sex couples within services. After legal advice they have just confirmed that bespoke services or same sex marriage services within C of E services would require a 2/3 majority of Synod

  38. Susanna Watson avatar
    Susanna Watson

    And thank you from both me and my partner for putting into words what we and many others are thinking and feeling.

  39. Sally Ann Dyer avatar

    David. Thank you for sharing your pain and grief with those of us who have no idea what you’re up against. We’re so sorry. We see you! Thank you for being faithful to the call of Christ. Yes, you are in His good company… Love and respect to you both xxx

  40. Ace Airstream avatar
    Ace Airstream

    I came across this post after YouTube’s algorithm fed me yesterday’s sermon by the Dean of Salisbury (and former canon of Canterbury), https://www.youtube.com/live/KtWnx6_ZOLY?si=hANIloPVr6QJxO9e , the description of which gave no clue as to its contents. It’s well worth watching and as powerful a critique of the bishops’ declaration as Dean David’s words above. It is so sad that the institutional homophobia of the CofE, clothed in “theological differences” and the apparent impossible hope of holding the divisions together, has caused Dean David to express his sadness and hurt in his heartfelt words above, and I’m reminded too that his late predecessor felt it necessary to keep his own situation private, at least to the wider public, until he had left office.
    Dean Nick, in the conclusion to his sermon, says, “… it seems to me that the longer our church goes on using its privileged position to secure exemptions from equality legislation, the longer it goes on denying its clergy and its people the civil liberties that are afforded to us all, the longer it goes on proclaiming a so-called ethical position which is at odds with that of our society at large, then the nearer it comes to its own death.”

    1. Ace Airstream avatar
      Ace Airstream

      The Dean of Southwark, Mark Oakley, has joined the debate and preached in support of Dean David.
      https://youtu.be/LLM_J8YH8Fk?si=5gXMfdZIel5EoxF0

    2. Ace Airstream avatar
      Ace Airstream

      https://youtu.be/LLM_J8YH8Fk?si=9Lb0OTghDwl9h2Bf
      You don’t often hear a sermon that gets a standing ovation- Mark Oakley (Dean of Southwark) quotes David Monteith as part of his sermon yesterday.

    3. John B avatar
      John B

      I do though agree C of E clergy should be able to enter into same sex marriages or civil partnerships if a majority of Synod agrees

  41. Richard Bland avatar

    You are not alone. There are many of us who cherish your ministry.

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